Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Really appreciate it. Let us know your story and share your photos! Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. These were normal everyday folks. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. It's good to talk to you. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Have it reported down in the Keene area. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN No I saw a camel. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. "Of those three to five reports,. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Yes and you want to share what you learned. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Let us know your story and share your photos. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . I just want to tell you a story that I read. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. So. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Think you've seen a mountain lion. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Gap Mountain Lions Club Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Yeah I did. Right. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Okay. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? NHPR is nonprofit and independent. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . Absolutely. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Administrative Links. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. So one thing I'll add. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. 1957. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Let's look for other evidence. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Sam Evans Brown. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. We'll be right back. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Well they are the same. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. It's bigger but bigger and better world. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. You saw what you saw. David Erler says some of them probably have. Theres tracks everywhere. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. They are the same thing. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. 1,470 likes. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Saddleback Mountain Lions And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. Pelosi story here we go. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Peter Biello: Yeah. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Here it is. About Lions. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on.